Medical Transcription: Whose Fault is it Anyway?
The conversations here and online in this past week have fascinated me as we explored medical transcription salaries. When we looked at whether employers really are supporting the notion of mandatory credentialing, it was pretty telling to not hear one single person say they were at a place where there was a pay differential for their credential.
Exploring the relationship of the professional association with the trade association in our industry also brought some interesting insight from everyone. Can the two truly co-exist when there are clearly different values? One group wants better pay and working conditions. One group wants to increase their profits. Certainly both can rally around the notion of quality healthcare documentation. In the end, does that mean individual needs go unmet?
What is our Driving Force?
Not too long ago, I attended a meeting where someone asked about the resistance to mandatory credentialing. When the topic came up of it often not equating to an increase in pay, one of the leaders in the meeting asked how many really were in that meeting who didn’t want to make more money. Really, she said, if you think you make enough, I’d like to talk to you so I can do what you’re doing. I think this is not a fair representation of what MTs are saying. MTs aren’t “money grubbing” people just wanting to make a boatload of money. They are simply trying to get by and support their families. In the end, her suggestion was that perhaps what gains mandatory credentialing is peer pressure. She went on to tell a story of how she was in a role as a coder, the only one in her department without a credential, and although she produced an equal amount of quality work, her coworkers shunned her. She finally got the credential. Is that the answer? I certainly hope not. I was rather glad that meeting was via webinar and not in person or everyone would have seen my jaw on my keyboard, shocked to hear such a suggestion.
I believe our driving force is just what we have talked about: First the ability to adequately support ourselves and our families. It is about taking care of those we love. It may then become about proving something to the world, showing we’re “good enough” or that we “have pride.” For me personally, it’s not about acceptance, it never has been. I also believe in the end, if we don’t have that first step of our physiological needs being met, nothing else matters.
I got my CMT in 1989. At the time, I was self-employed running my own business. I did it simply because I wanted to put those initials on business cards because I thought it would “look cool.” Back then, if you passed the test, you could have the association send a letter to your employer acknowledging your accomplishment and telling them a bit of what it was all about. I did that, for every single client. Of my 10 or so clients at the time, I heard from one of them. He wanted to know if that meant I was going to increase my prices.
I’d love to tell you that I said of course, that’s what that means, but I didn’t. I was making great money at the time and I had annual increases built into my contracts. I didn’t see a need to increase it because of the credential. Today I maintain my CMT because in the things I do, it brings credibility. If I consult with a school, they want and need the CMT. In the courses I offer both here and on the HIPAA website, having the CMT shows anyone who registers that I know what I’m talking about because I’ve done it. Interestingly, in all of this discussion this week, I have realized that the cover of my new book to be out next month does not have CMT after my name. And you know what? I’m not even sure why. It just is.
Does It Matter that we Work from Home?
I thought the comments about MT being a lower paid profession this week were interesting. On the one hand, we hate it. On the other, we do attempt to justify it by talking about how much we save if we work from home. And then someone said but wait, if I take any other job, nobody cares that I have childcare, have to buy clothes, etc., it’s simply not a calculation into my wages. For those of you who work in an office setting, I’m pretty sure that’s accurate. I don’t imagine you get an increase in your salary because you have to drive to work every day. And yet, we are all quick to point out those things as a rationale for lower pay.
In the End, It’s Up to Me
In my last position, I recall vividly being in a meeting where the managers were discussing that an MT had resigned. The company president looked around the room and said “Whose fault is it?” I was new to the company, only been there about two weeks. We all looked around the table, like deer caught in headlights. He then pointed to each person and said “It’s your fault, and yours, and yours, and yours…..and mine.” My very first reaction was to bristle and think “I’ve been here two weeks, I can’t be responsible for what’s happened before I came!” And then I got the lesson. It is about personal accountability. It’s about each of us taking responsibility for ourselves. It’s about the MT who refuses to work for less than she’s worth. It’s about deciding, if credentialing is a value we have, that we only work for companies who truly value that, and who are willing to put their money where their mouth is. It’s about standing up when we’re told speech recognition technology means your pay rate is cut in half because “you’ll make it up in volume.”
Many years ago, one of my clients approached me and asked about a “discount” on his rate after a certain volume. He was a very high volume account and one I sure didn’t want to lose. He said he figured he should pay his regular rate for xxx number of lines, and then everything after that was discounted. The benefit was that he brought so much volume to me, he felt it would be worth it to me as well. I thought for a minute, and then asked him this: “At what point in the month have you seen enough patients so that every patient after that gets a discount on their eye exams?” Of course, he had no such formula. At the end of our discussion, he had a clear understanding that I was in business just like he was and he wouldn’t be getting that discount. We had a relationship of mutual respect and I always appreciated that. I’m not sure that would have been the case if I had given in.
We are a critical time in our profession. In our professional association, we are at a critical time as well. We’re voting on major changes to the association that will eliminate our representative body and replace it with a larger board of directors. The mission is, as we know, to advocate for quality documentation. It’s up to each of you to choose what works for you. If that mission and the representation you have will work for you, then jump in and support it. If it doesn’t, find something that does. If that means working on your own or with a group of MTs, do it. I don’t believe for one minute that MTs don’t want to be involved in change and speaking for themselves. I DO think there are times when we just haven’t found the things we’re passionate about in the opportunities that are presented.
Now it’s up to you. Let’s hear your thoughts.
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I think part of the problem of MTs not being “united” is the fact that most of us work at home and we are not around other MTs so we don’t have that sense of unity. Even though the company you work for may employee hundreds or thousands of MTs, you still feel pretty much alone and isolated from the other MTs while sitting at home in front of your computer day after day (maybe that is the goal of the transcription companies)??? If an organization such as AHDI wants to pull in MTs and unite us and be our voice, they need to find ways to reach us where we are. Show us practical, bottom line ways we will benefit from membership in their organization, then make it inexpensive and not so darn hard to be credentialed!! Maybe the immediate goal of these organizations should be to get the masses credentialed so that we all feel like we “belong.” Then go from there.
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Lisa Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Your comments made me think of the AHDI membership drives. They reward members for finding new members. I suppose some members are successful with this, but since I work at home and have been for many years I don’t have contact with other MTs except a few online.
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Lisa, I attend seminars and Nebraska AHDI conferences and the State Meeting. I have met many wonderful MTs and are still in contact with many of them I have attended online webinars and have gotten to a few of my “webinarians” quite well, and we still communicate. We all share thoughts and issues as well. It helps to keep me not so secluded.
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Lisa Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Shirley, I used to be very involved with AHDI components. First with a nearby local chapter and was on the board for several years but that closed several years ago. Also with the California state association and was on the board for many years but that closed a couple years ago. Then tried the Online Association. I have discovered these were not long-lasting friendships, I guess because the common bond is gone.
Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
You know, Lisa, this just makes me sad. And yet I do get it as I feel that way about some of what I thought would be lasting friendships too. Still, I have MT friends all over, many of whom aren’t AHDI members. So perhaps the connection is to the commonalities we all find, however we find those.
As I continue with my training I am conducting online research in this area. My impression from the various sites and folsk I have encountered is basically that overall MTs are not united because they dont all agree on what they feel is best for the group rather what is best for me. Not trying to rub folks the wrong way here! It just seems that I hear and read that the what many, not all, want is what is best for me (meaning themselves) and not the whole. Until the MTs can agree, collectively, on what is best for the majority there will be little respect and thus little pay. It is when a group of people truly unite, and stand for what is best for the whole, while helping those in their group attain that goal that the respect and pay will come.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Suzanne, I think you do have a point here. In the end, any organization has to figure out what’s the best route based on their mission. I think the question is whether it’s possible to create a mission that serves individuals collectively (I hope that’s making sense! LOL)
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Suzanne, if you count the number the transcriptionists out there with those who are members of AHDI, you will be amazed at the difference. There is a definite rift in that regard. It seems there is a world of practicing MTs and world of professional MTs. AHDI has so much to offer, but it seems like it AHDI against the “rest of the world.” Just a thought.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Shirley, I’d only add one thing to your thought. I think ALL MTs are professional MTs. Do they all act professionally? Sadly, not always. I don’t think it’s belonging to an organization that makes a professional. I think it’s in how you present yourself, how you interact with others, and how seriously you take your work. There are a lot of MTs (more than are members) who do just that and are not members of AHDI. In the individual professional category, that number sits at just over 3450 as of the end of the year. The total membership is much higher than that, but for those who identify themselves as “working MTs” that’s the number.
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Sorry, poor choice of words; perhaps I should have said AHDI members and non-AHDI members. I did not mean to infer that non-AHDI members are not professionals by any means! Sorry ’bout that to everyone.
Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Shirley, of course I knew that you didn’t mean that. I just responded so that we don’t have anyone saying “wait, are you saying I’m not professional if I’m not an AHDI member?” It’s always good to clarify!
I REALLY appreciate your participation and what you are adding to the conversation.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but by being a part of this group I do feel a sense of unity. We have agreed to disagree on certain things, but on the whole, I think we are a fairly united group. Working from home does not have to be a drawback to being a part of a league or oranization because everyone can attend virtual meetings on the Internet. I know that AHDI is doing that sort of thing now.
Suzanne has a good point about what is being said on various sites and that people can’t agree on what is best for everyone.
Perhaps a post could be put on the various sites asking the question of what if there was a business league that was going to focus on pay issues of the MTs, or advocating for MT rights, and run by MTs, would they be interested in joining such a group. Find out if there a market for a group like that. Ask what they would like to see happen, not just for themselves but for everyone.
I was reading Seth’s Blog today and he was discussing how to go about marketing a service or product to certain segments of people and that in order to do that you need to pick a service or product that people are really looking for, like an organization that will actually advocate for the MTs. With all of the discontent in the MT world, the time may have come when MTs will get involved in a group that is focusing on what they, the MTs, really want.
It would all depend on whether MTs would really want an organization like that, whether someone would take on the role of starting said virtual organization, and others to volunteer their time to help run and maintain such an organization.
From past experience I know it is usually not easy to get people to volunteer to take on a role in an organization but if we MTs actually do want to make ourselves heard that is exactly what will have to happen. Having said that, if such an organization would be created, I would volunteer to work in it, but I could not get it started as I do not have the skills required to set it all up.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Linda, I think that would be an interesting survey. Maybe we can put a survey up next week and then everyone help publicize it and see what the response is? I’m not sure there’s a real interest in something different from enough people, and it would be interesting to see that. I don’t have any intention here with posts to drive people away from AHDI. What I DO think is that somewhere someone has to answer the tough questions. With the changes in the organization, if they pass, we will have fewer people making those strategic decisions (comparing a board of 13-14 to a House of 40). Many emails I have received have asked if that will lessen the impact of the voice of the MT.
I DO think when people don’t feel like they are being heard, they look for alternatives. What those alternatives will be is something that still remains to be seen.
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Linda Kirvel Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I am not suggesting that people turn away from AHDI if they are happy with it. I am suggesting an alternative for people that want it, an organization that looks out for the MTs and encourages them to talk with each other. It could be a place where MTs could get support for whatever they path they want to take in the field or branching off into another aspect of healthcare. Sarah commented yesterday that she wanted to add to her education and expand her focus beyond being an MT only and it would be nice to be in a group that would encourage that as well.
You can look at it the way it is in politics. If you want to make a change you cannot sit on the sidelines and do nothing and then complain about what is happening in the world. The only way to make a change happen is to be active in making the decisions. It might be time to “put up or clam up” as they say.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Linda, great thoughts there. I didn’t think you meant to drive anyone from AHDI, was just clarifying that on my part.
Lisa Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:35 am
“I DO think when people don’t feel like they are being heard, they look for alternatives.”
I think that is why so many members are leaving AHDI. My membership is due this weekend, and I find myself thinking about it.
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excellent idea Linda! I honestly believe that when the collective group, as a whole, sees the importance of standing together, that more will be accomplished, then more will come forward. Nowadays, too many are looking out for number one, which is them, not bad but, in rough times the squeaky wheel gets oiled, and the wheel that squeaks is united. (as well as looking out for one another)
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Someone told me years ago, that we are as strong as our weakest link. food for thought.
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Peer pressure to push for credentialing doesn’t work for me. In fact, I was completely turned off a week or so ago with a post on another blog that said new MTs who get credentialed soon after they finish their MT course put the “seasoned” MTs who are not credentialed to shame. I’m not credentialed and I’m not ashamed of that fact. It has actually saved me a lot of money over the years and I will not get more pay for having a credential. I have proven my worth as an MT with the quality of work I produce.
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I agree, Lisa. I just renewed my RMT and do not think I will go for certification as a CMT at this point. I think certification may get you into consideration for a new job, but not necessarity more pay. It is great that you continue to prove your worth with the quality of work you produce and should be very proud. I am no better or worse for my certification status as an RMT and, again, I do not think mandatory certification is the answer. You can turn down jobs that do not offer “enough pay,” and most people opt for employment rather than no job.
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Caro, CMT Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I was an uncredentialed MT for over 36 years. I only went for the credential because I was hired by a company that actually rewarded it with a rate increase, plus they paid for the test. I had nothing to lose except the hours I spent studying and preparing, and the time it took me to drive to and from the testing site. (I was even able to resell the review texts on ebay for roughly what I paid for them.)
Don’t ask me what company that was; they no longer exist. They were bought out in a merger a couple of years back, and the new company does not reward the credential. (They did honor the rate increase, however.)
I have not really pursued continuing education credits for renewal, although I still have time if I decide to renew. I am ambivalent at best about maintaining the credential because I don’t see that it’s doing me any good, really. It might in future if I have to look for another job, but I am hoping not to have to do that.
I joined the AAMT for a couple of years back in the early 1980s because it seemed like the thing to do. I dropped my membership because it wasn’t particularly helpful to me, and I have never considered rejoining.
As for “keeping up” with current knowledge, I find that I don’t know what I don’t know until it smacks me in the headset, and I have to go research it. And with all the research tools available today, I usually have little or no trouble finding what I need.
Having said all that, count me as one of the discouraged ones who is very disappointed with the fact that the profession I have worked so hard to attain and maintain a level of excellence in barely affords me a subsistence living anymore, and until and unless I see some organization taking some real steps to create an environment where we get paid at least some semblance of what our knowledge and experience is worth, I won’t be joining up with or getting behind anything. I’m too tired just trying to scratch out enough lines to make my quota so I can pay the bills for another month.
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
Thanks for your input. I totally understand and am basically rowing in the same boat with you, seemingly upstream. Individuals such as yourself are plentiful and are one reason why mandatory credentially won’t work at this point; perhaps in looking forward with new MT about to join the work force.
Nobody seems to know the answer to the issues arising in the forum, so it appears we have gotten caught in a viscious cycle. Meantime the field of health care is ever-changing as will the nature of the job of the MT.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
First, your phrase “smacks me in the headset” just made me laugh, it’s sure one we can all relate to. I would sure hope that your current company keeps that higher rate even if you don’t keep your credential. If not, then I hope you keep it simply because it gives you a bump in pay, something we could all use. I appreciate that you took the time to stop by and add to the conversation. I love that people are open and simply tell it like it is.
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Sarah Reply:
January 29th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
First, your phrase “smacks me in the headset” just made me laugh, it’s sure one we can all relate to.
Me too…that had me rolling on the floor laughing.
It is reassuring to know I dont have to be credentialed right off the bat.
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Sarah Reply:
January 29th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I wouldn’t make that assumption just yet though. It might not be mandatory by then, but there are a lot of great reasons to get it other than it being mandated. It might be very helpful in the job search. Getting someone to give you a chance as a new graduate can be challenging. Depending on what school you went to, you might really be helped by having the RMT after your name to get anyone to look at your resume. We all have different job hunt experiences. I graduated with people who took months to find a job but I had one very quickly. It can vary on so many things. You have to have something to make you stand out of the crowd though. Even with a top 2 school on your resume, a credential after your name certainly cannot hurt. If you’re in a top notch program and you’re studying hard and maintaing 98% averages, you might just have offers to chose from! If it doesn’t go that way, the RMT couldn’t hurt! I gave myself a month to find a job and then was planning to take the RMT. If I had it to do over again, I would take the CMT as soon as I gaduated.
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Kathy Reply:
January 31st, 2011 at 10:42 am
Sarah, very good points. Even without credentialing being mandatory, if it gives you an edge at all, it would be worth it.
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Wow! This sure has been an extremely enlightening week reading the posts. As someone who is hoping to get a position as a MT it has made me stop and think about several things.
Thank you all for being so open and honest about things. Have a great weekend everyone.
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Shirley Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Thanks for you input, Robin. I love being an MT and I think this post allows you to go into this field knowing what you are getting into, the downfalls, advantages, and anticipated changes in the direction “we” are going in the health care field. Stay tuned. Talk to people. Learn everything you can so you can weigh your prospect of becoming an MT with your eyes wide open.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Robin, thanks for dropping in. It does give you food for thought. And while we don’t always like what the information says, I think it’s good to discuss it.
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Aside from the pride of knowing that I passed the CMT exam, my thinking in obtaining credentialing this year was one of current affairs/economy. I am old enough to remember that the desirable jobs, in times past, went to folks with college degrees. Years later, those desirable jobs were given (generally) to folks who had Master’s degrees. I think that if you have the knowledge and experience to attain certification, why not?? It has been challenging to me to review for the CMT exam even after 18 years of being an MT. I am learning things albeit sometimes small details of things I did not previously know. And if I were an MT who did not need the review but could pass the exam without further study, I would jump on that! I don’t think today it is a matter of getting the “desirable” jobs but may, in some cases, be a matter of getting a job and/or keeping a job. Believe me, I wish that all companies paid more for credentialed employees but right now, they don’t. Having to fulfill the CEU requirements to keep the CMT credential would force me to keep up with changes in medicine and health care. I may sound like an idealist, and I may be alone on my own island with these views, but I think credentialing is a win/win. I DO agree, however, that AHDI is not as sensitive to the fact that the economy IS tough, and their fees for membership/exams, etc. is very pricey, in my humble opinion. I know AHDI advocates for us as a group but would appreciate more resources/help directed to us as individual members.
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Lisa Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:43 am
“Having to fulfill the CEU requirements to keep the CMT credential would force me to keep up with changes in medicine and health care.”
As an MT with a variety of work, I find I learn about the new stuff by having to research something for a report and signing up for updates from various websites.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
I’ve always said, when I was hiring, that if I were given the choice of two equally qualified MTs, with the only difference being one had the CMT, I would hire the CMT. I did that because I thought it said something about their commitment. Does that mean I think it makes them a better MT? Frankly, no, I don’t think that. I think there are some awesome MTs who are not credentialed and who DO keep up with continuing education so they can be even better at what they do. Lisa is a good example of that as she is constantly adding to her education. I think that commitment to education is part of what makes us professionals.
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Linda Kirvel Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Jan, I do agree that credentialing is a win/win situation because it does keep a person up with changes in medicine and health care. You are not alone on your own island with that view. When I was a licensed insurance agent and had to keep up my CE credits I always felt that I came away with a lot more knowledge that I had before.
I also agree with Lisa that peer pressure to push for credentialing does not work for me either. I do have a problem with people telling me what I have to do. I guess I need to change my mindset about the credentialing and realize that it is just a matter of furthering my education and that is always a good thing and not look at it like someone is making me do it.
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Lisa Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Perhaps my age plays into the way I feel. At 55 with 30+ years as an MT, with the same major accounts for the past 25 years, I have a different viewpoint. Perhaps if I was new to the field and maybe a little younger, I would want that credential but it has no “meaningful use” for me at this time.
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Linda Kirvel Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Lisa, I am 63 but have only been an MT for 1-1/2 years so I guess I am really sort of new to the field. I am trying to look at it not only as a credential, but also that I am furthering my education. I started MT school when I was 60 so I know that you can teach and old dog new tricks. I also understand and respect your point of view.
Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Jan, I don’t think you’re alone on your own island at all. I DO think there are things that are great about credentialing. If I didn’t, we wouldn’t have a study course here. I simply wouldn’t offer it. I made the decision when I started this site to do a few things, one of which was only offer things that I believe are of value to the readers and MTs. That’s why we do a course. I think the representation part and the credentialing part of two different things and in our passion and discussion they sometimes get lumped together.
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I think the credentialing argument has become a “chicken-or-the egg” dilemma. Some MTs say, “show me the money first,” and those who believe in the value of credentialing say “build it and they will come.” Which comes first? Which SHOULD come first? We are in a face-off with ourselves; meanwhile, the wolves have raided the chicken coup.
An important question to ask is which scenario has the best chance of protecting our jobs and opening doors going forward? Credentialing or no credentialing?
Looking at Kathy’s statistics this week, it appears to me that we have already proved what happens when certification is not valued. Our wages have not kept pace with those of our (credentialed) peers, our working conditions have not improved, and our jobs are constantly threatened by offshore labor, EHRs, and the “next great technology breakthrough.” You have to wonder if techno-geeks would be so easily convinced they could replace us as “typists” if they truly understood our scope of practice. And how much harder would it have been for offshore companies to snag so much of the market at such a low line rate (and then produce such inferior work) if they had had to certify all their MTs first? Would the inexperienced, fly-by-night companies have jumped into the market so quickly and easily? Would the matchbook schools be so profitable if the industry demanded that they demonstrate certification pass rates? As it stands, anyone can say, “I’m an MT, because I say so.”
Barriers to practice in this field would have discouraged and even prevented those who jumped in for all the wrong reasons, facilitating the movement of the industry in the wrong direction.
**The most effective barrier used by all other professions is credentialing and licensure.**
I know people need to look out for themselves, and it is legitimate to ask “what’s in it for me?”. Although I truly believe there are personal benefits to certification, many of which are probably unique to each person, I think the bigger issue is the state of the industry going forward. It IS in the individual’s best interest to promote and advance the industry in which they work. On our current trajectory, there will come a time when the job is not worth having.
I think the takeaway here is this: we know what happens when we are divided on this critical industry decision—we have spent the last 20+ years proving that a lackadaisical attitude toward credentialing and a fully open-door policy to work as an MT has not improved our pay or our standing in the healthcare community at large. I’m not saying that a lack of a predominantly credentialed workforce is the ONLY reason for our current situation, but can you unequivocally say it is a nonissue?
What is the corollary? What direction do you think the industry will go if we continue an open-door policy toward the profession? How will the industry be served by opposing certification? If not through certification, how else can we construct barriers to practice?
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Laura, first thanks so much for stopping by and adding to the conversation. I agree there’s a bit of a stand off going on. I think part of the frustration with that is that the “build it and they will come” has been our mantra for almost 20 years. So far, that hasn’t worked. That said, the healthcare industry is changing rapidly. I often wonder if it will help or if we will be told it’s too late.
As for what we will have if not credentialing, I see that already happening. We have scribes who can come in and do the job MTs used to do, with some additional “errand” duties, create the written healthcare record, all with no credentialing and a training program that is only 4-6 months. I think we’re already seeing that, and they are doing it without a credential. I don’t presume to have all the answers. I sure wish we had some, but I do think the discussion is a good one.
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Sherry Evans Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Looking at Kathy’s statistics this week, it appears to me that we have already proved what happens when certification is not valued. Our wages have not kept pace with those of our (credentialed) peers, our working conditions have not improved, and our jobs are constantly threatened by offshore labor, EHRs, and the “next great technology breakthrough.”
Laura: I just want to talk about one phrase in that quote. “When certification is not valued….our jobs are constantly threatened by offshore labor….”
I believe certification will have NO positive effect on this. The reason jobs go offshore is for the lower prices. I’ve heard horror stories about the quality of the work coming back from those providers, and you can believe that they aren’t credentialed! However, if those jobs remained in our country, that doesn’t mean that we would receive any sort of remarkable increase in our line rates; it would simply mean that they would negotiate the lowest-possible cost to the facility so that their bottom line would be as “impressive” as it could be.
Certification is a double-edged sword. As we all know, the education (pre-testing, I mean) costs money, the testing costs money, and continuing education costs money. For some, that is money that they can’t afford to take from the income they need to support their families. (Never mind that the cost of continuing education never ends…and if I understand the situation correctly, if you don’t get your CECs, your certification “goes away” and you actually have to re-test to get it back? Kathy, is that the way it is?)
I believe the number of companies who offer “incentives” for their MTs to obtain certification is somewhere between 0 and 0 (not a typo). I DO know that my sister works for a company that said when she passed her CMT they would reimburse for the testing, and that’s at least a step in the right direction…BUT, they didn’t say that her line rate would reflect the certification.
I don’t see how transcription business owners can juggle the vast number of contracts that are negotiated with all of the various pay levels they could have when you factor in credentials, experience levels, and ALSO what the facility will be willing to pay (no matter WHAT the level of the transcriptionist who is doing their work). Personally, I don’t believe the doctors themselves care if we are credentialed or not…they aren’t going to pay more anyway. They just want their work done accurately, and we are certainly capable of doing that without credentials. So, if our credentials AREN’T going to be of financial benefit (to help offset the financial COST to obtain and MAINTAIN0, then what is the sense of (1) anyone telling us we MUST be certified and (2) taking money from a family who needs it for the “basics” (a roof over their heads, clothes on their bodies, food in their stomachs, education for the children, and health care for all)?
No, I definitely don’t believe that credentials will keep jobs in this country that are going offshore. The doctors and facilities who pay our medical transcription comnpanies aren’t going to be willing to pay MORE to keep us happy when what is making them happy right now is to send jobs offshore for less money, even though they can see that the quality is inferior to what they would get by keeping it here.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Sherry, you are correct about the CMT. If you don’t maintain your credits, you don’t get to keep it after 3 years unless you retest.
There are a FEW companies who pay a differential for having your credential. When I was with TRS, we implemented a $0.01 per line for the CMT and $0.005 for the RMT. As I understand it, when the company sold, the MTs were then at a company where there was no differential for the credential. We also reimbursed if someone successfully passed the test and offered a free study course for all employees. Those indeed were the days. I’d have to say that has to start at the top, though. Because, as the manager, I believed it was important, and because our company president felt it was important as well, he was willing to be supportive of that. Had he not been, I probably wouldn’t have gotten very far with that idea.
Now, IF someone has a place where they have that kind of differential, then it’s probably worth it monetarily. I did some numbers on that once showing how it all came out, and I promise that when I get done with this move this weekend, I’ll do a post on that and show all of you the breakdown.
I’m also one who has some views about “offshore” or even, the new term of “near shore” transcription. For two years I lived in Barbados and trained MTs. When they graduated, they were good and they knew what they were doing. But then I also knew what kind of training they had. They didn’t do a 6 week course and then start to work. They were in class for an entire 12 months, and came to class 5 days a week, 6.5 hours M-Th and 3 hours on Fridays. Their quality was such that when they went to work and a customer left us for a “better line rate,” they were back in less than two months because those MTs “just know us and do so well.” That was a pretty picky customer with lots of different instructions for each doctor. So, that said, those MTs can sometimes do a good job.
I actually don’t think any of us, credentialed or not, are going to be able to stop the movement of offshore labor. I agree that very often it’s a cost factor because it’s cheaper, although I can’t really say that we saw that in Barbados because it is quite expensive just operating a business. I do think the offshore market from the last several years has hurt us in wages. US MTs simply cannot compete on price. And as much as we would all like to believe it’s true, the folks who pay the bills define quality way different than we do. That makes it tough.
You may all recall I wrote a post awhile back that asked the question “What’s our compelling story?” Until we have that for credentialing, I’m afraid we will continue to have an uphill battle, for both acceptance and recognition.
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I just wanted to note that, as it happens, I just left a position in which I did receive a slight line-rate premium for my CMT credential. With the position I am about to begin, the compensation scheme is better, even without an explicit premium for my credential. While interviewing for my new position, I was told in particular that having already obtained my credential was an impressive factor and made me more attractive to my new employer. Clearly, in some cases it does make a difference. Yes, the credentialing exam was difficult, and the process of registering for and traveling to sit for the exam was not simple, but I’m glad the exam was difficult. It needs to be. If the credential was easy to obtain, how meaningful would it be?
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Charmaine, I absolutely agree that no credentialing exam should be easy. I want it have value and say something. It IS great to hear that MTs are hearing of times when it mattered in getting the job as well. Thank you so much for sharing that.
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Sherry Evans Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
I wish there were more companies like that. Unfortunately, it still lies with the doctors and facilities being willing to bite the bullet and pay more to have their work done. I just don’t see how (talking the collective “we” here) we can continue to function with any amount of integrity in an industry where the doctors and facilities for the most part want “verbatim” transcription anyway (telling me they don’t even value our EDUCATION, what we know and what we continually learn) and that their two biggest concerns are: (1) their financial bottom line, and (2) that we can accurately “type what they say.”
If each of us went out and got our OWN account(s) and negotiated our rate of reimbursement, only contracting for the amount of work we could complete within the normal turnaround demands, then I think that a certification might be of more use. Right now, when transcription companies that WE contract with negotiate contracts with doctors, groups of doctors, family clinics, specialty clinics, or small or large hospital facilities/medical centers, all they CAN be concerned with at that time is negotiating a price that the customer will accept. THAT isn’t going to change whether we are certified or not. Transcription companies are all in competition with each other to obtain those contracts, whether they are in our country or offshore.
Anyway, I hope I made and defended my point. It’s what I see happening all over our country, and I rarely hear about situations where the transcriptionist REALLY gets consideration for her credentials. I’m happy when I hear it, but it’s not very often.
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Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
Sherry, I think it’s not just the facilities and doctors. In the company I was with, I don’t believe we really charged anymore than anyone else. None of our clients paid us more because we had certified MTs, although we sure told them about it. It was about us being willing to give that back to the MTs and take a little less profit for the company. I often think frankly that the “well nobody will pay for it” when it comes from a service is one of those things we’ve learned to accept and go along with when in reality some of that is “I don’t want my profit to be less.” We saw in the post about profit margins this week that it’s clear there’s a pretty decent profit being made, and that continues to increase even though we often hear that’s not the case. I think you see less of that with some of the smaller services, and I also think we often see the services run by MTs being some of the higher paying companies. Now I’ll get off that soap box because I probably have just gotten myself removed from a bunch of Christmas card lists.
Edited to add: I have never worked for a medical transcription business that didn’t build in some kind of annual increase into their contracts. It’s just good business. Sadly, that isn’t often passed on or shared with the MTs who do the work.
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Sherry Evans Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Kathy:
Two things–If transcription companies in general gave even a minimal annual increase, it would be really helpful. Again, the management needs to make that decision…and I’d like every one of the business owners or Boards of Directors (if they’re organized that way) seriously to consider making a smaller profit to make their transcriptionists feel more valued and contented (perhaps contented enough to not leave for some other company that pays more?).
Secondly, since I know you like sayings…. I wish I could remember who said this, because I’d like to give credit, but I honestly can’t, so here is my wisdom for the day (believe me, it’s the best I’ve got for anyone today):
If you keep doing what you’ve always done, you’re going to keep getting what you’ve always gotten!
Don’t you love it? I think it applies to everything and ANYTHING! (Come to think of it, I probably heard that at a Weight Watchers meeting! LOLOL)
Kathy Reply:
January 28th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Sherry, you’re absolutely right there. And I love that saying. Similar to the definition of insanity: Continuing to do the same things and expecting different results.
My point above about offshore and credentialing is that mandatory credentialing would have slowed, and in many cases hindered, the start of offshore businesses that jumped into the game with undeliverable promises and ridiculously low line rates, thus creating a new price expectation in the minds of our buyers. Certainly it is too late to stop offshoring–that horse has left the barn. But as Kathy mentioned, now we are seeing another kind of encroachment on our “space” –scribes. These individuals are willing to do the work that once was ours and they are happy to do it for 8 bucks an hour! As long as the marketplace views us as “just a typist” without a defined scope of knowledge and no barriers to entry, we will never “own” this space. We will continue to be encroached upon by technology, cheap labor, and the next great workaround.
By far, the most common argument for not being certified is “there’s no money in it.” I disagree. There ARE employers that pay a premium for credentialed MTs (here’s a list: http://www.ahdionline.org/EducationTraining/CredentialsDesignations/WhoCaresIfYoureCertified/tabid/168/Default.aspx). I know there are more than this because I have friends who work for or manage companies/departments that are not on this list.
The Advance Survey Salary also bears this out—certified MTs have consistently reported higher earnings in their salary surveys. http://health-information.advanceweb.com/Article/2009-Salary-Survey-Results.aspx Is this because CMTs are paid more per line, or because they are more knowledgeable and productive (at the same line rates), or because they are more likely to be promoted up the career ladder? Probably all of the above.
To those who say they cannot afford the cost of CECs, I would counter that there are more free resources than ever before. Every copy of Plexus has CECs available. Even if you are not a member of AHDI, I’m sure you could find someone to share with you. AHDI also publishes a list of resources for CECs, including free resources available on the web: http://www.ahdionline.org/Portals/0/downloads/AHDI%20Recredentialing%20Resource%20Guide.pdf.
I don’t think the industry can build a credible argument against credentialing because “its practitioners cannot afford it.” Any industry could make that argument–income and expenses are relative. What could be sufficient for my circumstances might put someone else in dire straits. Obviously there are MTs able to afford the process. I know for a fact that the association is very mindful of the cost of certification and makes every effort to keep the costs as low as possible. I have been a part of those discussions as a former board member, as a former staff member, and in numerous volunteer positions.
Because I truly believe the credential will make a difference, I don’t see the cost of credentialing as an expense but rather an investment in my future earning capacity. Would you invest $300 if you knew it would give you a return of $10 a week (one penny more for 1000 lines/week)? That’s doubling your money in just over a year! You won’t find a 200% return on investment in any market, anywhere! Throw $2 a week in a jar until you have the money to pay for the test. In the meantime, study the (free) Merck Manual (online) and the eMedicine site (also free) and the innumerable other websites loaded with information, take the test, and then go apply with a company that values your hard work and ingenuity. Don’t make excuses. Make a plan and work it! Just
don’t tell me you can’t afford $2 a week (for about 15 months) for the opportunity to earn $10 more per week for years to come!
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Kathy Reply:
January 29th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Thanks, Laura. I did see and point out that the salary survey Advance does shows a higher rate for those who are CMTs. I also think it is a combination of things for that. There are no doubt people who take the survey (I am one of those) who identify themselves as an MT and are in management roles where they are paid a salary, and sometimes a much higher salary than most MTs make. That would tend to skew the numbers a bit, although since it’s not really broken down we don’t know by how much. There are so many variables. What IS clear, as we saw, is that others in the HIM arena are getting increases and at a much higher rate than MTs are. Cancer registrars are not required to be certified unless they are in higher roles, yet still a high percentage of employers will pay more if they have if.
I hope with the association’s move to mandatory credentialing that we see a reverse in how we work with employers. In the survey link above, the word from the association is pretty clear that we would like them to, but don’t want them to require it. Here’s the quote: “We want to encourage business owners to begin to transition our workforce toward credentialing,” said Sims. “We don’t necessarily want them to require credentialing, but we’d like them to show they strongly prefer it.” I hope we reverse our stand on that because I do think it has to work together.
The list of employers shows 12 who do something, although not all actually pay more for credentialing (9 of the 12 do). Not all list what that really means in additional pay. I was kind of glad to see one say 5%, until I did the math. For 8 cents/line, that’s less than $0.05. Still, it IS something and it all helps so I don’t mean to say if it’s not “enough” then don’t do it.
You know, we used to tell folks that same thing about putting money in a jar for membership in the association. And here’s what I always said: You can put the money in the jar, and it’s only 25 cents/day (that was cost of association membership at the time). And the reality is if your kids don’t have lunch money and you have no cash, well the money is coming out of the jar. The reality even for me, with no kids, is if I’m worn out at night, husband is too tired to cook, and we don’t have cash, well that money is coming out of the jar to pay for the pizza we ordered. It’s just how life is. I think we have to be very sensitive to the realities of lif with many MTs, which is that they struggle daily to meet line goals simply to put food on the table and pay the bills. I’ve met MTs who tell me they had to make choices between association membership and/or paying for the credential, or buying school shoes for their children. Clearly the shoes won out, as they should have.
It’s just not black and white and it is a challenge.
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Correction on my math above: 15 months at $2 a week isn’t long enough.
The RMT for nonmembers is $180, so that would take 90 weeks (or just under 2 years to save up)
The CMT for nonmembers is $230, so that would take 115 weeks (or 2 years to save at $2/week).
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Kathy said: “I hope with the association’s move to mandatory credentialing that we see a reverse in how we work with employers. In the survey link above, the word from the association is pretty clear that we would like them to, but don’t want them to require it. Here’s the quote: “We want to encourage business owners to begin to transition our workforce toward credentialing,” said Sims. “We don’t necessarily want them to require credentialing, but we’d like them to show they strongly prefer it.” I hope we reverse our stand on that because I do think it has to work together.’
That quote was from the summer of 2009. Since that time, the HOD passed the resolution for mandatory credentialing. I don’t believe Lea would make that same statement if she were asked today.
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